Posts by FatFreek 2005

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The Preparation Directive

by Flat_Accent in

When will world realize zero population growth?

by N.drew in

metatron in your opinion do you think the world will see it soon?

how soon?.

FatFreek 2005

When the USA stops subsidizing its citizens and other countries for simply squirting out babies.

Oops! I didn't realize this was a private thread to Metatron.

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My critical thoughts about Paul

by I Want to Believe in

so this is an area of thought i had before even before i fully took the apostate plunge.

i started noticing that almost everything about the congregation pointed back to paul.. "do not forsake the gathering of yourselves together.

" not jesus' words.

I see what you mean. You may find the following from WIKI interesting, "Pauline Christianity is a term used to refer to the Christianity associated with the beliefs and doctrines espoused by Paul of Tarsus through his writings ."

A few weeks ago when the country (USA) was wild with Tebowing, I made critical mention of how his public display of his faith turns off many people, including me, and what part of Jesus' words about going into a closet and praying does Tebow and people like him not get? Yes, she says, but Paul's words say yada yada yada. Then I say, so the founder of Christianity is trumped by one of his followers? End of discussion.

How about the shunning that JWs and other fundies use? All Pauline based, "not even eating with such a person". Years ago when I asked one of the other elders why we don't shun all DFd ones, including family members (recall, Paul makes no distinction), he made the point that it would be going a bit too far -- that is, to shun family. I then said, so Watchtower trumps writings in the Bible? The discussion changed.

We could go on and on.

Len

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I've made a Witness friend at work

by PenelopePaige in

a new girl has begun working in my office.

she is a jw and has just moved to my state after leaving florida (where she's from) and where her entire family lives.

i've become relatively chummy with her.

FatFreek 2005

It can not hurt to tell her you studied , that way she will know you understand a bit more about her . Troubled Mind

I believe that to be true. I use that expression whenever I talk to someone I learn to be a JW. Invariably they then ask, "Oh -- may I ask why you quit studying?"

The door is now open.

You: "This link right here presented some questions that my teacher simply couldn't deal with." (proceed to hand her a small slip of paper with the internet link goo.gl/TkcHt). Yes, it's that short and you don't need the HTTP:// prefix. If she slips it into her purse you won't know whether or not she actually checks it out -- but you've planted the seed.

It would be a good idea to browse it yourself first so that you can honestly endorse it. It's a link to THE GREAT WATCHTOWER CONTRADICTION, an 11 minute read that is designed for ones who have begun studying and are considering the Watchtower religion. If your new friend happens to check it out for herself it will probably make her very uncomfortable with some things she has believed all her Watchtower life.

Good luck.

Len

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Draconian Rules for Attending "Special Convention"

by BluesBrother in

jw
friends

british dubs are invited to attend a special convention next summer in dublin , irish republic.

o k, this kind of trip has been done many times before.

however i have never seen such a crude and rigid set of rules that would apply to their own people going on a trip, at their own expense of course.

FatFreek 2005

Remember the Nazi eugenics program? While not quite that despicable it looks as if their PR department is get ready for lots of photo ops with this crew of well-dressed, well-groomed, good looking (no obesity allowed) people. Oh, and no wheel chairs since they will slow us up (or down).

Before we think that Germany was the leader in this atrocious behavior, note this from Wikipedia, article "Nazi Eugenics".

The Nazis based their eugenics program on the United States' programs of forced sterilization , especially on the eugenics laws that had been enacted in California . [9]

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Draconian Rules for Attending "Special Convention"

by BluesBrother in

jw
friends

british dubs are invited to attend a special convention next summer in dublin , irish republic.

o k, this kind of trip has been done many times before.

however i have never seen such a crude and rigid set of rules that would apply to their own people going on a trip, at their own expense of course.

FatFreek 2005

If I've just been baptized at age 6, such as examples promoted in various yearbooks, why am I suddenly not old enough (age 12) to accompany my baptized parents?

Len

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ATTENTION PLEASE The Heavy "Preaching" about the "Kingdom" of Freedom

by TheTruthWillMakeYouFree in

attention please the heavy "preaching" about the "kingdom" of freedom guys!!.

something big is coming.....heavy "special campain" like pioneer preaching to many .

newspapers and big tv channels to say the truth about " the truth "!!!!

FatFreek 2005

Thanks, MS.

And all the best to you, TTWSYF.

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ATTENTION PLEASE The Heavy "Preaching" about the "Kingdom" of Freedom

by TheTruthWillMakeYouFree in

attention please the heavy "preaching" about the "kingdom" of freedom guys!!.

something big is coming.....heavy "special campain" like pioneer preaching to many .

newspapers and big tv channels to say the truth about " the truth "!!!!

FatFreek 2005

Welcome -- and I wish you the very best -- but always be prepared (like when you go d2d) for the worst).

Beyond that, and when done with that project, please be a regular here with the rest of us. Be one more slowly dripping faucet. Over time we'll fill up the bucket together.

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I May Have Found Loophole!

by Yan Bibiyan in

FatFreek 2005

In the past 10 years or so the Society has made it clear that there is no difference, at to purposes of penalties and shunning, between DF'd and DA'd folks.

In the old days they created the DA situation for obvious legal reasons. Don't DF those in the military cuz headquarters could get shut down. Instead, we'll say a military person DA'd himself. "No, we didn't kick him out -- he kicked himself out".

Len

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Another Point Against Disfellowshipping (Even the WT can't deny)

by arko_n9ne in

i have been shifting some ideas around and the threat of disfellowshipping may actually help me in this instance.

if you've read my other posts, you know why it is i'm on here.

and you know that i am adamant.. but in the research of disfellowship, i've tried thinking of good, alternate arguments or points of reasoning before pressing the red button.

FatFreek 2005

Hi Arko,

I think most all on this board will agree with what you've said. The hatred of JW's toward the ExJWs appears to be increasing especially when it's encouraged out of those recent pages of Watchtower. It used to be -- at least what I remember from years ago -- that we were to hate the wrongdoing -- not the wrongdoer.

Len